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1  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Bit of Space Quest Trivia on: June 21, 2012, 12:11:43 AM
I'm sure anyone who played Space Quest VI remembers the time when Roger has to look up the "Vulgars" in the holo-deck.  The number is 5551212.  Odd this is: this is a real phone number.  I don't know if it will cost you to call it (so I'm not recomending that you do) but the number 555-1212 is for directory assistance.
2  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Re: Top 10 Kangaroos in Games on: March 10, 2012, 11:41:46 PM
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Why not, Mr. Whitman?  The question begs to be answered by thou.....


Quite simply because I have been using the net since about the time it came out and I have come up with different names that I thought I'd rather go by.
3  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Re: Top 10 Kangaroos in Games on: March 08, 2012, 08:43:54 PM
Of course this is the same post.  I wrote it.  I don't go by just one name on the internet.  I just wanted you people to see what came of the help I got.
4  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Top 10 Kangaroos in Games on: March 08, 2012, 01:40:31 AM
The Top 10 Kangaroos in Games

Kangaroos: one of nature's most famous animals and yet very little is actually known about them.  The kangaroo is an animal that happens to show up very little in the media of games and yet, when they do, they can be forces to be reckoned with.  Of course, their best known feature: the pouch does tend to stand out in their appearances.  There's also the well known image of the boxing kangaroo (when fighting kangaroos actually do punch).  And let's not forget jumping, which they are believed to do all the time when moving around.  You usually end up with these three things being the dominant images when kangaroos show up in games.  Most of the kangaroos on this list are the well known "Red Kangaroo" which is considered to be the world's largest marsupial and grows to be about the size of an average sized man.   Here is a list of the Top 10 Kangaroos in video games!  WARNING: Spoilers!

10. Ikanger (Teleroboxer)

Okay not really a kangaroo per-se but instead a robot boxer made to look like a kangaroo.  However, this machine looks more like a kangaroo than some of the mentions on this list.  Found only on the ill-fated Virtual Boy system, this character hasn't been seen by most individuals.  Ikanger not only has a head that looks like a kangaroo's and boxes like one, "she" also has a robot joey that she carries around in her metal pouch.  Of course, this does make her seem more cute than cruel but it helps add to the touch. 

With the exception of jumping Ikanger actually fits the kangaroo image very well.  It's even mentioned that her creator is from Australia. 

What helps set Ikanger apart from Vanishing Bungaroo, another robot made to look like a kangaroo is that she fits the image much better, not using some form of shadowing to move around and she uses boxing as her primary form of attack.  Her legs are also designed for jumping more than running around.

9. Variously Named Kangaroos (Animal Crossing)

These animals are amongst the rarest ones you can find in your city.  If you happen to run into one, she's always female and she's always a mother.  However, they don't actually look anything like real kangaroos and they can only be identified as kangaroos by that second head that's sticking out of her belly.  These kangaroos don't actually have a single fixed name which helps to show they are different individuals rather than one being that shows up at random.  In spite of all this, they do make for one of the most exotic residents of Animal City and are the only ones to have two heads instead of one, so get a mention on this list.

The kangaroos you run into in animal crossing are varied in color and body type, which is actually true of real life.  According to the San Diego Zoo, there are close to 70 recorded species of kangaroo.  The kangaroos you find in Animal Crossing even have different personalities.  This being the case, they are fairly realistic in a game that isn't realistic at all. 

Now if only that joey's head's expressions didn't match the mother's head perfectly, they might have made it higher up.

8. Ripper Roo (Crash Bandicoot 2)

Whoever came up with this guy really hated kangaroos.  He looks more like a dog than a kangaroo, he's a masochist, laughs like a gremlin (from the Warner Bros. Movies) and with that straight jacket on him you can’t tell if he has a pouch or not.  Not to mention he's blue.

On the plus side, this is one of the few times a kangaroo shows up in a game with an appropriate setting.  Bandicoots are real animals that are native to Australia so it's only fitting that another Australian animal would show up in the game.

Ripper Roo is a recurring boss character who will bounce around trying to smash Crash in the first game, then in the second he uses a pogo stick trying to smash Crash or activate panels on the floor which will explode.  If you aren't in the blast range, he is.   Ripper Roo then get's his chops burned and laughs it up. 

He is unique in that out of all the kangaroos here he doesn't truly match any of the kangaroo symbols in that not only does he not seem to have a pouch, he doesn't always jump of his power and he doesn't use boxing. 

Hardly a likeable character but seeing that he's the only true villain kangaroo to actually show up in games and he is one of the few recurring characters he deserves a mention here.

7. Thunder (Clayfighter 2)

You can claim that this character is also a villain but she's part of a tournament so her fighting you doesn't automatically make her bad and even "hero" characters are worse than her in their endings (the Blob flattens the entire earth and most of its inhabitants).  Thunder is the "evil counterpart" to Kangoo, another kangaroo character to show up in games. 

She is the first real kangaroo on this list to be a boxer.  Thunder fights in the boxing style and is said to enjoy hurting her opponents.  She does have a joey that rides around in her pouch and he/she will occasionally help his/her mother during the fight.  The joey will peek out her pouch at the start of a match and also gets held up at the end of the match.  The most prominent view of the joey shows up at the end of the game. 

Thunder is a good character to use if you prefer close up hand to hand fighting rather than using projectiles.  She also manages to jump a pretty good high and long distance but unfortunately not much father and higher than other fighters in the game. 

What brings Thunder here over Kangoo is her ending: it's stated that if you are caught breaking her laws you must "spend three months in her pouch with a stale shellfish."  Now how she would be able to fit someone in there much less the myriad of people who would probably be caught breaking rules I don't know.

6. Roo (Streets of Rage 3)

Yes, yes, you fight this guy too.  Roo shows up along with his trainer in level 2 of Streets of Rage 3.  As many people have discovered, however, if you beat the trainer and not Roo he becomes a playable character.  Here you see, Roo was NOT evil he was just following the orders of his trainer. 

Roo is unique in this list as he wears clothing that wasn't designed for a kangaroo.  His tail clearly tore out of those shorts he wears which does lead to the question about how he got them on in the first place.

Roo is the first character here who actually kicks like a kangaroo.  If you manage to grab hold of an opponent Roo will jump up on his tail and kick using both legs.  While this is slightly inaccurate as a kangaroo can balance on its tail rather than having to hold onto an opponent, this is one of the kangaroo's strongest attacks.  He even kicks using both legs instead of one.  Kangaroos cannot operate one leg independent of the other so that's why they kick with both legs and typically hop around.

In the ways of fighting, he's number one out of those mentioned here but he only shows up in one game and other than being an animal he doesn't really stand out from the other fighters in his game.  There's also the matter of not being able to tell if he does or doesn't have a pouch so he's not higher on the list.

5. Ricky (Legend of Zelda Oracle Series)

I don't care HOW you feel about it now.  What kid who knows about kangaroos HASN'T fantasized about riding in a kangaroo's pouch?  Strangely, Ricky is the only kangaroo character in any game that actually allows your character to do this. 

Link finds Ricky in need of his boxing gloves and as reward for returning them, Ricky let's you ride in his pouch.  He actually has all three defining kangaroo features: a pouch, boxing, and jumping.  In fact, Ricky jumps much farther than Link can and that's his primary use in the game.

Why isn't he higher on the list?  There are two reasons.  The first: the fact that the games' intros show that this Link is the same one as in Ocarina of Time and therefore large enough to ride a horse begs the question just how big is Ricky to be able to carry him in his pouch?  According to the Guinness Book of World Records the largest kangaroo only stood just over seven feet.  In order to carry a full-sized human in space meant only for its young, a kangaroo would have to stand around twenty-five to thirty feet tall! 

The second reason he's not higher on the list?  MALE kangaroos don't have pouches!  Jacks don't take care of joeys so they don't need pouches so therefore they don't have them.  Did someone mention "Birdo?"

4. Roger (Tekken 2)

The first jack on this list that distinctively doesn't have a pouch.  Roger is also a boxing kangaroo who is so good he's able to hold up his own in the "King of Iron Fists" tournament but, unlike most of the other kangaroos here he has a back-story. 

Roger was the result of a genetic experiment designed to create a living weapon.  This weapon project granted him human-like intelligence and supposedly increased his strength as well.  Roger really stands apart from the other animal fighters in most games as he's actually given an explanation for why he goes so far as to wear boxing gloves and fights at a professional level.  He also shows up in later games though only at the ending. 

He does seem to be quite amoral as he doesn't much care about his wife and son and is proved to be a playboy.  The question there becomes: how inkangaroo is he?  Male kangaroos don't stick around and take care of their children and they don't mate for life so any ordinary kangaroo wouldn't have the slightest problem with his practices.

Although not currently realistic, he's closer to reality than any other kangaroo character afore mentioned and who knows?  With more research… someday… maybe…

3. KAO (KAO the Kangaroo)

There was no way around this.  KAO (pronounced "Cow" in his games with speech packs) is the only one of these characters with his own series.  He was once a happy kangaroo living with his troop until one day a hunter shows up and captures him.  He dons a pair of boxing gloves and makes his way back to save his troop.  From then on, he decides to adopt a more human manner and starts wearing clothes along with throwing boomerangs.

KAO goes on his adventures usually to stop his arch nemesis the Hunter from making life miserable for other animals.  He deals with a wide range of enemies and seems to be an altogether nice guy.

There are problems I have with him though.  I think his name should be pronounced, "Kay Oh" as it makes the boxing thing sound more linked, it sounds more male, and "Cow" doesn't refer to the kangaroo thing at all (females are called "flyers").  In the first game he's shown to have a pouch (is it really that unknown?) but his voice and how he's referred to in future games prove he's male.  Finally, there is no explanation for his "transformation" between the first and second games.  In the first game he wears no more clothing than an ordinary kangaroo taught to wear boxing gloves, he doesn't speak to anyone, and he fights like an ordinary kangaroo would.

How and why he suddenly decides to start wearing clothes, speak human languages, and learning to use human weapons is beyond me. 

2. Roger Jr. and Mama (Tekken 5 and 6)

Although Roger did show up in this list already he's not his wife and son.  The character may be called "Roger Jr." but it's his mother (referred to only as "Mama") that does all the actual fighting.

What makes them come here over even KAO?  Not only do they have all three "symbols" of kangaroos they are the most accurate, noble characters in the list!  Mama does have a pouch and carries a joey around in it, but she's female and Roger Jr. is her son so there's nothing wrong with that image.  Mama will jump when fighting but she is also capable of walking around.  Contrary to popular belief, kangaroos actually do walk around when traveling over short distances (although they use their front paws as well unlike the way Mama walks).  Mama does have dialogue in Tekken 5, but she doesn't speak in any human language.  Unlike other animal characters like Kuma she isn't understood by the human characters and only Mokujin, another character who can't speak in human languages, talks to her.

In fact, the only thing about these characters that set them apart is their slightly more human behaviors in being able to operate both legs independent of each other and being angry with Roger for his behavior and being able to figure out that the tournament is a ways to meet their ends but that's explained through genetic engineering. 

So what makes them so noble?  Roger Jr. and his mother originally enter into the King of Iron Fists Tournament to save Roger.  Money, titles, and glory mean nothing.  They go through a ton of trouble all for love.  Need more be said?

1. Unnamed Mother Kangaroo (Kangaroo)

She has no name, she has no fancy sprite, and she doesn't even have fame.  However, this unnamed mother kangaroo starred in the very first game to feature a kangaroo.  The game aptly named "Kangaroo," has a kangaroo that hops around a screen filled with a number of platforms in order to reach her lost joey who's being threatened by an army of monkeys.  She also has a mission to pick up various kinds of fruit that floats around the platforms.

Some people view this game as an Atari version of "Donkey Kong" since you have the platform thing and in the harder levels the monkeys do drop things on you.  However, the game stands out in that you never climb ropes, you don't have things like the springs bouncing around and the monkeys will throw things across the screen at you.

Like most game kangaroos she's a boxer and punches out her enemies.  Not much is known about this kangaroo but she's the absolute first one, and therefore gets the number one spot on this list.  The way must be paved somehow and she did just that.  She even goes on her quest for love of her child.  How many characters in the old games did that?


Well that's the Top 10 Kangaroos Found in Video Games.  Some people have said that I should include Kagaskhan in the mix.  This is a list of the Top 10 Kangaroos in Video Games, not the Top 10 Marsupials (animals that give birth to undeveloped young that incubate and develop within the mother's pouch).  Kagaskhan while bearing pouches aren't established to be marsupials and more importantly, they're not kangaroos, they're kangaskhan.  That's also why wallabies aren't in it.  In fact, if it was marsupials: bandicoots, koalas and possums would be in there too.  Remember that these are just my opinion and not facts set in stone.  Yes, there were a few facts in there but learning isn't a bad thing.
5  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Re: Know any kangaroos in video games? on: February 27, 2012, 11:08:34 PM
The Top 10 Kangaroos in Games

Kangaroos: one of nature's most famous animals and yet very little is actually known about them.  The kangaroo is an animal that happens to show up very little in the media of games and yet, when they do, they can be forces to be reckoned with.  Of course, their best known feature: the pouch does tend to stand out in their appearances.  There's also the well known image of the boxing kangaroo (when fighting kangaroos actually do punch).  And let's not forget jumping, which they are believed to do all the time when moving around.  You usually end up with these three things being the dominant images when kangaroos show up in games.  Here is a list of the Top 10 Kangaroos in video games!  WARNING: Spoilers!

10. Variously Named Kangaroos (Animal Crossing)

These animals are amongst the rarest ones you can find in your city.  If you happen to run into one, she's always female and she's always a mother.  However, they don't actually look anything like real kangaroos and they can only be identified as kangaroos by that second head that's sticking out of her belly.  These kangaroos don't actually have fixed names either.  In spite of all this, they do make for the most exotic resident of Animal City and get a mention on this list.  Now if only that baby head didn't match the mother's head perfectly, they might have made it higher on this list.

9. Ripper Roo (Crash Bandicoot 2)

Whoever came up with this guy really hated kangaroos.  He looks more like a dog than a kangaroo, he's a masochist, laughs like a gremlin and with that straight jacket on him you can’t tell if he has a pouch or not.  Ripper Roo will bounce around on a cane trying to smash Crash or activate panels on the floor which will explode.  If you aren't in the blast range, he is.   Ripper Roo then get's his chops burned and laughs it up.  Hardly a likeable character but seeing that he's the only true villain kangaroo to actually show up in games he deserves a mention here.

8. Ikanger (Teleroboxer)

Okay not really a kangaroo per-se but instead a robot boxer made to look like a kangaroo.  However, this machine looks more like a kangaroo than the previous two mentions.  Found only on the ill-fated Virtual Boy system, this character hasn't been seen by most individuals.  Ikanger not only has a head that looks like a kangaroo's and boxes like one, "she" also has a robot joey that she carries around in her metal pouch.  Of course, this does make her seem more cute than cruel but it helps add to the touch.

7. Thunder (Clayfighter 2)

You can claim that this character is also a villain but she's part of a tournament and even "hero" characters are worse than her in their endings.  Thunder is the "evil counterpart" to Kangoo, another kangaroo character to show up in games.  She is the first real kangaroo on this list to be a boxer.  Thunder fights in the boxing style and is said to enjoy the fight.  She does have a joey that rides around in her pouch but he/she doesn't show him/herself much.  The joey will peek out her pouch at the start of a match and also shows up at the end of the game.  What brings Thunder here over Kangoo is her ending: it's stated that if you are caught breaking her rules you must "spend three months in her pouch with a stale shellfish."  Now how she would be able to fit someone in there much less the myriad of people who would probably caught breaking rules I don't know.

6. Roo (Streets of Rage 3)

Yes, yes, you fight this guy too.  Roo shows up along with his trainer in level 2 of Streets of Rage 3.  As many people have discovered, however, if you beat the trainer and not Roo he becomes a playable character.  Here you see, Roo was NOT evil he was just following the orders of his trainer.  Roo is unique in this list as he wears clothing that wasn't designed for a kangaroo.  His tail clearly tore out of those shorts he wears which does lead to the question about how he got them on in the first place.  In the ways of fighting, he's number one but he only shows up in one game and other than being an animal he doesn't really stand out from the other fighters so he's not higher on the list.

5. Ricky (Legend of Zelda Oracle Series)

I don't care HOW you feel about it now.  What kid who knows about kangaroos HASN'T fantasized about riding in a kangaroo's pouch?  Strangely, Ricky is the only kangaroo character in any game that actually allows your character to do this.  Link finds Ricky in need of his boxing gloves and as reward for returning them, Ricky let's you ride in his pouch.  He actually has all three defining kangaroo features: a pouch, boxing, and jumping.  In fact, Ricky jumps much farther than Link can and that's his primary use in the game.  Why isn't he higher on the list?  MALE kangaroos don't have pouches!  Boy kangaroos don't take care of joeys so they don't need pouches so therefore they don't have one.  Something is seriously wrong here!

4. Roger (Tekken 2)

The first male kangaroo on this list that distinctively doesn't have a pouch.  Roger is also a boxing kangaroo who is so good he's able to hold up his own in the "King of Iron Fists" tournament but, unlike most of the other kangaroos here he has a back-story.  Roger was the result of a genetic experiment designed to create a living weapon.  This weapon project granted him human-like intelligence and supposedly increased his strength as well.  Roger really stands apart from the other animal fighters in most games as he's actually given an explanation for why he goes so far as to wear boxing gloves and fights at a professional level.  Although not currently realistic, he's closer to reality than any other kangaroo character afore mentioned and who knows?  With more research… someday?

3. KAO (KAO the Kangaroo)

There was no way around this.  KAO (pronounced "Cow" in his games with speech packs) is the only one of these characters with his own series.  He was once a happy kangaroo living with his troop until one day a hunter shows up and captures him.  He dawns a pair of boxing gloves and makes his way back to save his troop.  From then on, he decides to adopt a more human manner and starts wearing clothes along with throwing boomerangs.  KAO goes on his adventures usually to stop his arch nemesis the Hunter from making life miserable for other animals.  He deals with a wide range of enemies and seems to be an altogether nice guy.  The only problems I have are: I think his name should be pronounced, "K.O." (makes the boxing thing sound more linked) and in the first game he's shown to have a pouch.  It is really that unknown?

2. Roger Jr. and Mama (Tekken 5 and 6)

Although Roger did show up in this list already he's not his wife and son.  The character may be called "Roger Jr." but it's his mother (referred to only as "Mama") that does all the actual fighting.  What makes them come here over even KAO?  Not only do they have all three "symbols" of kangaroos they are the most accurate, noble characters in the list!  Mama does have a pouch and carries a joey around in it, but she's female and Roger Jr. is her son so there's nothing wrong with that image.  Mama will jump when fighting but she is also capable of walking around.  Contrary to popular belief, kangaroos actually do walk around when traveling over short distances.  So what makes them so noble?  Roger Jr. and his mother enter into the King of Iron Fists Tournament to save Roger.  Money, titles, and glory mean nothing.  They go through a ton of trouble all for love.  Need more be said?

1. Unnamed Mother Kangaroo (Kangaroo)

She has no name, she has no fancy sprite, and she doesn't even have fame.  However, this unnamed mother kangaroo starred in the very first game to feature a kangaroo which was aptly named "Kangaroo."  She hops around a screen filled with a number of platforms in order to reach her lost joey who's being threatened by an army of monkeys.  Like most game kangaroos she's a boxer and punches out her enemies.  Not much is known about this kangaroo but she's the absolute first one, and therefore gets the number one spot on this list.  The way must be paved somehow and she did just that.  She even goes on her quest for love.  How many characters in the old games did that?


Well that's the top 10 kangaroos found in video games.  Yes, there were a few facts in there but learning isn't a bad thing.
6  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Re: Know any kangaroos in video games? on: February 26, 2012, 11:22:33 PM
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Isn't the point of making these lists to go find the info yourself to share with other people instead of the other way around?

Yes and no.  I found seven kangaroos and I needed three more.  So maybe I did help out a little bit.  I'll also be writing up the bios and opinions on these characters and my opinions are things you can't just look up.

Anyway, THIS is not the site I was wanting to do this for.  There was a different site for that, but they're finicky about what they take and anything that's not completed won't be accepted.

And while I thank you for your help, I was only asking for someone who knew it from experience.  It wasn't neccessary to do my research for me.  Thanks a lot for your help though.
7  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Know any kangaroos in video games? on: February 26, 2012, 10:22:01 PM
I decided that I want to do a Top 10 Kangaroos in video games list.  However, I've run into a road block: I don't know of 10 kangaroos in games.  Here's what I have:

1. Unnamed Mother Kangaroo (Kangaroo)
2. Roger (Tekken 2)
3. Roger Jr. and Mama (Tekken 5 and 6)
4. Ricky (Legend of Zelda Oracle Series)
5. Kangoo (Clayfighter 2)
6. Thunder (Clayfighter 2)
7. Roo (Streets of Rage 3)

Unfortunately, the rules state I can't use the same game twice so I can't use both Kangoo and Thunder so I essentially only have 6.  Please let me know if you have any other kangaroos to contribute.  They must be KANGAROOS not some other marsupial, so Kagaskhan is out.  Please let me know the name and the game the kangaroos are in.  The game system they can be found on too would be appreciated.

Edit: I found another one:
8. Ikanger (Teleroboxer)

This one I don't know if it counts or not being that she's a robot but look it up on Youtube "Teleroboxer in 5:40.42" at 3:26 and let me know what you think.
8  IA Public Forums / Polls / Yelling at the game on: February 11, 2012, 01:23:51 AM
I do this all the time.  Usually, when they don't follow my instructions but it also happens when the character seems so DUMB not to be able to figure something out.
9  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / False Microsoft Service Calls on: February 03, 2012, 04:10:04 PM
Just FYI, someone has been callling up users of Microsoft products claiming that there are viruses on the comptuers.  They ask that you are near a computer and they will "walk you through" a computer check.  I contacted Microsoft and they are aware of these calls but they are false.  DON'T do as the callers ask.  It's a scam.  Microsoft will NEVER call you about issues.  They expect you to call them for that.  So be very aware of this.
10  IA Public Forums / Off Topic Chat / Weird Food Laws on: January 21, 2012, 11:26:21 PM
I've never heard of these before but I found this interesting site.  Let me know what you think!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/radicaleater/10-weird-food-laws-that-should-be-resisted
11  IA Public Forums / Space Quest II Remake Discussion / Re: SQ2 Guide 1.0 on: January 18, 2012, 10:09:53 PM
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I wish MrWhitman could give it a rest and let us all just enjoy the game. By listing all these bugs, it draws attention to them when most likely nobody would have noticed (or cared). Also I thought MrWhitman was going to send his list by PM not in the forums...again I could be wrong.

I am actually posting GAME mistakes in a private manner.  This is a GUIDE that I'm currently working on.  I am not trying to hurt anyone or stop any enjoyment.  However, dealing with something like this guide, I feel that it's important to have accurate, understandable information.  There are PLENTY of game guide sites out there (like GameFAQs) that won't accept submissions unless they are mostly accurate in their spelling and grammar, and they have to be completely accurate in their information about the game.

For me, a guide, be it through hints or a complete walkthrough, should be %100 accurate.  I've looked through the guide, and I've found that if you follow it all the way through, you WON'T get full points.

These days, MOST people who write guides don't get paid to do it, but they are still expected to make it as accurate and comprehensible as possible.   So, while it seems like I'm hurting the game and the guide, I'm actually trying to help.  When the mistakes are corrected, it'll be for the best for everyone.  As they say though, "It will always get worse before it gets better."
12  IA Public Forums / Space Quest II Remake Discussion / Re: Easter Eggs? on: January 16, 2012, 01:20:26 AM
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The rabbit isn't from anything. The sprite is based on the rabbit we used in KQ3, which in turn was used in Sierra's Conquest of the Longbow, but it's not referring to anything.

Are you sure it isn't a reference to Captain Bucky O'Hare?
13  IA Public Forums / Space Quest II Remake Discussion / A whimsical curiosity on: January 15, 2012, 12:43:12 AM
I've ALWAYS wondered this.  I even wondered this when I first played Space Quest 2 original nearly twenty years ago.  The question is: How did that giant monster standing on the cliffs where Roger has to swing on the rope get there?  I mean, there's no cave behind him.  So how did he get there?  And what's he doing there anyway?  Is he trapped and Roger's just his last meal?  Did he climb down and was just waiting for something to come along?  What are your thoughts and ideas on the matter?
14  IA Public Forums / Space Quest II Remake Discussion / Re: Finishing what I started. on: January 14, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Very well.  I did think that it was bold, but I was denied permission from my previous "employers" to show their pre-released versions and this was the only game that has videos out on it.  If you don't want me to use your game for my videos, I will respect that.

However,
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I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm absolutely NOT okay with you using our game as your video example of how buggy a game can be without proper beta testing.

My goal was NEVER to show "how buggy a game can be without proper beta testing."  My goal was to show people how to properly beta test a game.  I'm fully aware that it's next to impossible to have something without any mistakes in it and I certainly wasn't trying to make you look bad.  No one would have to know that I used a released version of Space Quest 2 remake.  As I said, I was willing to wait until you got a new version out.  If it was desired, I'd say that I used a pre-release version of the game that was still in the beta testing stage.

I know from my own past experiences that a lot of people rush into things that look or sound glamorus on the surface but they don't have a clue what really goes on in it and when they find themselves actually trying to do it, most of them either fail or do a really bad job of it.  I just felt that having SOMETHING to give an idea of what truly goes into this line of work would be helpful.

The video that I intended would only show a few rooms.  It would show that you have to use EVERY command available on EVERY object in the screen SEVERAL times.  It would show that you have to leave and revisit rooms over and over again to get everything.  It would show that you can't just FIND some of these bugs (like the walking through the closed door) but you also have to find out how to trigger it (It only works if you leave the screen and come back.  Going into the screen the first time doesn't allow it to happen).  It would show that if there are things you don't HAVE to do before you leave the screen, you have to try not doing it and leaving the screen to see what happens, and then go back to a previous save file and try doing something else that can be done in that first screen and then leaving (case in point: the returning hovercraft on Labion triggered by entering the screen and hiding without the unstable ordinance, then getting the unstable ordinance and returning to the next screen).  I wanted to show people that the job of a beta tester is a real job that takes a lot of time, patience, and devotion.

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They can't pay experienced testers and what happened got the job well done for a first round.
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Is there really any great and ultimate reward that would have been reaped if all these bugs had been found for the first release?  No, it just would have been nice.

I'M not a paid tester but I still do this job and I take it very seriously.  And, I won't mention any names, but I have been to several other fan game sites and the King's Quest III remake was OFTEN mentioned in response to posts asking why the beta testing stage was taking so long.  So, what would be the reward?  The respect of other sites and not being used as an example in the negative way.

I do see that my personal insight is not welcomed here.  I do think that you're being awfully subjective but that is just my opinion.  From now on, I will only post what I find.
15  IA Public Forums / Space Quest II Remake Discussion / Re: Finishing what I started. on: January 13, 2012, 11:34:04 PM
I'm sorry if you are offended.  But like I said, I alone have found over 400 errors in the game, some of which I can't understand how they were overlooked if the game was properly tested.  I don't mean any disrespect to anyone.  I know full well how much time and devotion goes into testing a game.  But in all seriousness, I only intended to give the game a play for some enterainment and to get videos of all the ways to lose in it.  However, I ended up finding so many things that were overlooked that I felt the need to test the thing myself.  I'm not saying that the programing is bad: AGDInerative's games had well over 2000 mistakes on their original beta versions of the game.  It's a large project and it's only to be expected that mistakes will be made.  But (I'm sorry to say this) I've only seen something like this in Quest for Glory IV.  That game was nearly the most unpopular game (according to critics) in the series because you had so many dead ends based on glitches.  I don't mean to insult anyone.  I don't mean to sound like I've got some superiority complex.  I just feel that if the job had done properly these mistakes wouldn't be there for me to find.
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